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    Default The problem with desire

    I have some, urges, or rather addictiouns, I am struggeling with.
    While some of theese urges may even be benicifial to my health, others may indeed kill me. The main reason for wanting to controll or reduce them is the fact that they are getting in the way of my life and, ruining it.
    I cannot concentrate, the urges wheter they be drugs or something else. Always seem to lurk at the back of my mind until they become unbarable and I simply give in. I`m tired of it, always looking for the next thing, never satisfied with what I have. Now this may be a good thing if I can only manage to focous that energy on my goals instead of fleating distractions that get in my way. I just want to be free of them, free of the whole vicious cycle. So does anybody have any tips, advice, anything at all, that may help, I`m desperate.
    For are we not gods, blessed with the devine power of creation?

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    Yes. Use the will you should have been cultivating to overcome your temporary distractions and desires. The cornerstone of all magical workings is an iron will that is focused solely upon whatever magical working you decide to undertake. It sounds like you are trying to walk before you can crawl. Luckily you have been given a golden opportunity to hone your will. Do not try to focus on anything more grand than willfully denying your desires as they present themselves. Want to smoke a joint really bad? Don't. Deliberately think of something else. Cigarette? Quit today cold turkey and do not smoke. The will of a successful practitioner does not compromise. There is no room for variance or doubt. If you cannot overcome even these simple distractions then you will likely find that you won't be successful in your workings ever and will not advance much beyond your curiosity.

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    I have reached a certain level of awareness, of ditatchment of the physical world.
    I do not require, any medication, If I have a head ache or other minor alement, I need only realize that it is only in my physical body and therefore not truly a part of myself since I myself am nothing but experiance, therefore I can choose not to experiance it. I can focous my energy to heal others minor alements.
    Yet, as you say I have tried to run before I could walk.
    I know, that reality (or our perseption of it wich makes up reality) can be bent to our will.

    I had an abusive teacher once. I used something called the hanging of the burning voodo doll ritual. (wich I will not disclose even to save my own life) The next day he was diagnosed with cronic spinal dissalignment and his mother died the same night. Even though the teacher was abusive, I regret my actions deeply.
    Had I met him to day I would thank him, for showing me what it means to suffer.
    What it means to stribe to over come this suffering, and for making me stronger.
    So therefore it is dangerous, to try to grasp powers wich one is unable to comprehend the ramifications of. This is also why I belive I was being held back, so I would not harm myself or others.

    I just need to foucus on wich experiance I wish t have.
    Or as James Allen said, To deny all that is harmfull, or a distraction and to attract all that is good. But still denying theese distractions takes a tremendus effort. I hope by repitition and brute force of will I will be more capable of staying focused on my goals. I know that I have had this ability, and the ability to manipulate reality itself, for it is only a matter of focusing ones experiance. All this I have alreaddy known I just need to remember, as I have remembered how to walk, or how to drive a car.

    Oh, by the way I have also quit smoking.
    For are we not gods, blessed with the devine power of creation?

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    Good keep at it. I wish I had more pertinent advice to give, but this is how it is, at least in my experience. Once you can control your desires you can indulge in them all you like, with a few admonitions about entheogens and sex, but until then it is important that you abstain by force of will and focus only on the path you are walking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy_wolf View Post
    I had an abusive teacher once. I used something called the hanging of the burning voodo doll ritual. (wich I will not disclose even to save my own life) The next day he was diagnosed with cronic spinal dissalignment and his mother died the same night. Even though the teacher was abusive, I regret my actions deeply.
    Spells with negative intentions are almost always regretted. Sometimes I've noticed that effects can seem to manifest without even performing a ritualized spell if my anger and hatred are strong enough.

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    I personally think that is dependent upon path and belief of the individual. I've done things that would be considered very negative, motivated by anger and hate, which are powerful emotional backings for a working. I don't regret any of them. I am of the opinion that if one doesn't give in to their darker desires and motivations then eventually you become consumed by them. Balance is important. Once can go too far either way. Only working with benign intentions makes one weak and unable to deal with their darker impulses, even when such impulses are necessary or even vital. Likewise too much of the dark and one begins to forget what it feels like to work in the light. Balance in all things and regret nothing, it's the single most useless emotion humanity ever developed. It serves no purpose other than to drag you down because of an event that you cannot change.

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    You`re right regret is a useless emotion. One can stray to far in either direction, to far towards evil and it will consume you, to far towards good and you leave you voulnerable. Haveing desires to can be beneficial, but it a matter of controling them and making them work for you or letting them controll you.
    For are we not gods, blessed with the devine power of creation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vir Sapiens View Post
    Yes. Use the will you should have been cultivating to overcome your temporary distractions and desires. The cornerstone of all magical workings is an iron will that is focused solely upon whatever magical working you decide to undertake.
    I personally think the whole 'will' a little misunderstood and overrated, sort of like the other one, karma. But thats just my opinion, maybe some others might agree, or not. There is another catch all called surrender, that i feel is just as important.
    Sometimes addiction is the manifestation of resistence, in fact i would say it is most of the time. Not to say that is good or bad, it just is. We go through the pain and let ourselves die off more or less as we become ready. Running toward the pain however will speed up the regeneration process of enlightenment. In other words.... stay sober and cry in the bathtub instead... if spiritual growth is what your after primarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneha123 View Post
    Hello,,,,,,, i agree with you,,,,,,Once you can control your desires you can indulge in them all you like, with a few admonitions about entheogens and sex, but until then it is important that you abstain by force of will and focus only on the path you are walking.thank's lot...........
    I'm pretty much down with that, Nothing wrong with boring the diviners with a little meta/physical masterbation, were the ones with a pulse anyway
    Last edited by Apple; 09-18-2010 at 03:16 AM.

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    Default Desire

    One aspect to focus on isn't necessarily forcing yourself to abstain, however redirecting it towards another path. Find a way to alternate your desires in a fashion that helps, and not hinders. Of course it is always easier said than done, however it is an option to think upon.

    - Amar
    Om Namah Shivaya

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