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Thread: Manifestations, why and why not?

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    Question Manifestations, why and why not?

    My main question is why can't spirits become dense and manifest whenever they want to?

    My present theory is that there's allot of politics involved in who gets to cause what in reality. Each change effects many and then there are the consiquences of everything. So i think that the main ones that get to choose when something manifests are the deities which call the shots.

    But I would like to learn more about what's really up; so, any comments?

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    From what I learned only higher ones can handle the atmosphere here at all, and they need energy to form a body.
    The atmosphere problem is like when you put a fish out of water, you better keep a bucket with water around. So the most sure method seems to be to fill the room where you work with a suitable atmosphere and provide energy for the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakeneko View Post
    From what I learned only higher ones can handle the atmosphere here at all, and they need energy to form a body.
    Can those ones use blood?


    Also, has anybody ever heard of astral things becoming physical but then the objects left behind fade away after a certain amount of time?

    Once I read about some people who contacted a spirit on a ouija board, and it said to them that it would leave a magick ring for them outside on a certain tree stump. Later they checked there and they found the ring then took it. That described a spirit sending an object into the physical plane perminantly. The account was annonamous so it could be false but if it is true then it does show some possabilities.

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    No they do not need blood that is given freely. I had a spirit come through a Ouija board and it caused so much havoc my parents had to banish it, I was not strong enough at the time. The veil is very thin now so the denseness is not so much anymore. Now instead of being far away they are in the next room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Dunsany View Post
    The veil is very thin now so the denseness is not so much anymore. Now instead of being far away they are in the next room.
    I am inclined to believe that in the spiritual planes, things evolve faster. So the veil shrinking may mean that things are becoming too advanced to suppress anymore. I have heard other people say that the astral is coming closer to the physical. I don't know how long it will take or if the veil will ever completely be lowered, but if it ever is then that will be quite interesting.

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    there is a theory made by a old spiritual theorist sometime after the renassance somewhere in italy if i remember right, I dont remember the name but i think it started with an R... anyway his theory is that they can not cross completly over yet not until the time of the "final" battle arrives. and when it does. spirits will take corpereal form, and humans will have to descide which side will they fight for, heaven and all the wonderful spirits that want to reside here, or more darker forces...so in a sense we get to make the descision

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    that sounds too simplistic; and I believe there are already entities that can take on full corporeal forms whenever they wish : the first which come to mind are alien races that are advanced enough to do so. No heaven war thing was necissary for that, just certain kinds of frequency shifting advances.

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    The world exerts a kind of deterministic "pressure" that we call "reality." It's what keeps the ordinary laws of gravity, thermodynamics, cause and effect etc. functioning. Those laws, and others like them, don't function on all planes of existence, but they do function predictably in the world of matter. As magicians we can sometimes work around this pressure, but we can't disregard it as irrelevant. This pressure is what keeps astral entities invisible to normal sight and intangible. A location that for whatever reason has a reduced level of reality develops a reputation for being haunted since it is here that normally invisible entities can become visible. It's worth noting, for instance, that strange phenomena tend to cluster, regardless of the assumed nature of the phenomena. Ghosts, UFO's and Bigfoot sightings often happen in the same areas over time, even though the popular imagination attributes them to radically different causes (ie, dead people, aliens and living, albeit unknown, animals, respectively.)
    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead

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