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Thread: Is it possible Bring Back physical THings from the Astral Relam?

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    Default Is it possible Bring Back physical THings from the Astral Relam?

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    It could be possible?

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    I have had many dreams where I have brought back things from the dreamworld only to find them gone when I looked in my bed. I didn't even think it was possible. They say that gold brought back from the faery world turns to dried leaves. An excellent book in which this happens is called "the House Between Worlds" by Marion Zimmer Bradley.

    One popular misconception about the astral realm is that we are just observers there and can't be hurt. One time when I was in austria I saw someone's astral body watching me while I was in a public place. Later that day back at my aunt's house in the countryside, I saw him again, so I used my kundalini energy and turned it into a big scorpion tail, which I smacked him with, stinging him. His signal went completely dead like he had just passed out. In retrospect, that was mean of me he was probably just curious. But I'll bet he will be more careful about who he follows!
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    I'm able to manifest lighters where there are none. I've done this at least three times, two of them I'm 100% sure there wasn't a lighter in my room or the place where it manifested. I'll look away from a spot, go outside for a walk maybe and then a lighter is there. It's always appeared in one spot, on my coffee table. It always disappears after an hour. It's a cheap lighter, usually green with no fluid in it. It always lights though.

    I'm glad that some of the most amazing and clear results of physical change from magick is also helping me keep up my smoking habit. Who needs Knowledge and Conversation when you can have Lung Cancer?

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    That's neat. Are you sure it's coming from the astral pane, it could be from the mental plane or also an "apport". We all have times where things are where we didn't leave them, for instance my roommate would have missing cigarettes one day and extra ones the next. Perhapse things like this are more commonplace than expected. After all, like in the rhyme, "life is but a dream."
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    Yes, I hear this is more common in the East though, specifically in India. There is a book that recounts this phenomenon in good detail. The book is "Autobiography of A Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokia_Zos View Post
    I'm able to manifest lighters where there are none. I've done this at least three times, two of them I'm 100% sure there wasn't a lighter in my room or the place where it manifested. I'll look away from a spot, go outside for a walk maybe and then a lighter is there. It's always appeared in one spot, on my coffee table. It always disappears after an hour. It's a cheap lighter, usually green with no fluid in it. It always lights though.

    I'm glad that some of the most amazing and clear results of physical change from magick is also helping me keep up my smoking habit. Who needs Knowledge and Conversation when you can have Lung Cancer?
    But if one can manifest lighters one can surely unmanifest lung cancer? *lights up*

    I think mediums already do this. It's called creating an apport, or something. They're reported to manifest all kinds of things from flowers to animals.

    Come to think of it, it'd be a dead handy ability. No need for me to be smokes ever again. Or alcohol for that matter. *poof* just have a sinfully crystal-clear bottle of Stoli appear out of nowhere.

    Gunna have pleasant dreams tonight...

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    well before everyone goes crossing things over happy, consider this, if you take lets say a tumor and take it out that also takes the brain tissue its attached to, thus leaving a hole in your brain which can equal in brain death. on top of that you are stripping the atoms of that energy, not transferring the atoms over, so what would happen to those atoms? secondly it would require an eminse amount of training for such a precision operation. on top of that what happens to the "cancerous energy?" there are so many questions, let alone what effect this would have on the already deteriating veil between the astral and the physical realm. and trust me it would have an effect.

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    I have seen spirit beings and such materialize in physical beholdable material form, but I think isn't telekinesis the opposite of bringing things into the physical world from the astral?
    telekenesis is manipulating the physical world with the astral positive energy and this inductive negative grounding in the sense of manifesting reality.
    shared experience and bringing specific energy back from the astral to charge physical objects are the only real things that would make astral nifluence over the physical possible, if two people were to see the same spirit or to take the energy back from the astral and charge something with it. tapping into the collective unconcious to find speciic things and take them back, is a tremendous task, similar is archtypally thinking of an image of something you would like to attract in your life, somethign you would like to have, and say use a money drawing spell in conjunct.
    I have seen a thousand thousand civilizations rise and fall upon the Mother of All Things. As pipes play, echoing off the mountains and across the Ocean, until it fades at the edge of time, the end of All... - book of the gate called pan

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneArt View Post
    But if one can manifest lighters one can surely unmanifest lung cancer? *lights up*
    I do have a reasonably deep understanding of how a lighter is constructed. I have a scetchy understanding of how a tumour is constructed (in fact, even the tumour is not sure how it is constructed. Otherwise it would build itself better).

    So... I wouldn't try to remove a tumour until I understood it.


    I don't think you can take things out of the astral into they physical. The "matter" of the astral seems too different. Although, every physical thing should be within the astral (just like everything is inside Aen Soph), so you might just be "teleporting" things around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deicide View Post
    That.

    It could be possible?
    Not directly, no. You can use the astral as a staging ground to manifest physical world things though; in fact all physical world things are imaged in the astral before they are made on the physical plane.

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