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    Default Magick VS Atheists

    I wonder if true atheists are immune to any forms of magick. By true atheist I mean a person who honestly doesn't believe in any forms of magick, deietes, occult and spirituality.

    There is a saying that if you don't believe in magick you can't do magick. I wonder if it applies to the one whom magick is casted as well. I have met people who practice such arts (some on the "darker" side) and they sustain truly atheistic persons are immune to magick (they can't cast nor can it affect them). Of course, I have met those who pretend they can prove the opposite.

    I guess this happens to pure atheists only. If you have an ounce of doubt regarding your atheist belief magick can affect you in a way.

    What do you believe ? Any thoughts ?
    "The Brightest Day has the Darkest Shadows."

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    Now there's a good question. I remember a conversation I had with a small group of people years ago. One of them, an atheist said all magical effects on people were explainable by suggestion. He gave several instances... a sorcerer points a stick or bone at a victim and curses them. Over the next few days the person grows ill and dies. Another instance was a so-called "gypsy curse" in which the Gypsy stares at a victim and pronounces a single word with ominous meaning. The word is implanted in the victim and has an increasing effect upon them.

    The reply to that was from a person I know to be a powerful magician. He said that those methods were easy to do and of certain effect on believers living in communities who also believe in these methods, but in communities that do not support these beliefs or when dealing with atheists, the best course of action complete secrecy. Everything is to be done in secret and any magical artifacts such as dolls, amulets, etc. were to be hidden where the target would pass near them but never discover them. It was assured that ignorance of the magic (especially a curse) allowed for a greater chance of success. Especially if there were atheists involved. The magician said results in this type of magic cannot be explained by suggestion. The atheist in the conversation said he didn't believe any effect at all could be had at all unless the person to be influenced was made aware of the intended effect and believed that it was possible.

    Given a few years of experience and reflection, I am siding with my magician friend.
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    If atheists are immune to magic - and magic is just a manifestation of the placebo effect - what the zogging hell is the point in studying it for practical benefits when you can effect an atheist in untold ways by choosing your words carefully?

    If minor psychological trickery is the main reason someone studies magic, why not pick up a book on psychology, go on Wiki or learn some linguistics?

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    I agree with the people above. You can close your eyes and believe as hard as you want that it's not real. But it won't help .....
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    Interesting answers. Of course, the concept of "pure atheist" by itself is open to debate. Because, let's face it: the occult is real. Magick is real. In the course of history many wise and powerful people knew of it's existence and used it (Witchcraft wasn't called "The Craft of the Wise" for nothing.) You can't deny it's existence totally, because it just is there.

    As for the immunity issue, I agree with BrotherEnoch and serpent.
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    Being an athiest, who hasbeen "cursed" many times because I piss people off for some reason...

    I can assure, no matter what words are spoken or lines drawn ect. It has no effect. I have yet to see any proof of magic...even with all that drama of being "cursed".

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    Out of curiosity, would you let yourself be cursed willingly by OF members or have the rest of the forum try and make something tangible manifest for you?

    Game if you are. We can both be ragdolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yodatalk View Post
    Being an athiest, who hasbeen "cursed" many times because I piss people off for some reason...

    I can assure, no matter what words are spoken or lines drawn ect. It has no effect. I have yet to see any proof of magic...even with all that drama of being "cursed".
    Out of curiosity, what are you doing on an Occult forum if you don't believe in magick? You must have at least a spark of interest.

    As for magick, it is very real. Not many are truly skilled in such arts, and most who pretend to be are either con artists or illusionists, but magick itself is ancient, powerful and above all, real. It is one of our natural powers that few know to tap, and because of that most chose to replace spirituality with mundane technology.
    Last edited by Kestor; 08-02-2009 at 12:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestor View Post
    Out of curiosity, what are you doing on an Occult forum if you don't believe in magick? You must have at least a spark of interest.

    As for magick, it is very real. Not many are truly skilled in such arts, and most who pretend to be are either con artists or illusionists, but magick itself is ancient, powerful and above all, real. It is one of our natural powers that few know to tap, and because of that most chose to replace spirituality with mundane technology.
    I have studied the occult. For a long time. I saw no evidence for it in my studies.
    And anyone who says technology is mundane obviously doesn't know much about it .Very far from it. Crazy complex. I don't see why people can't just look at the sky and go "My, isn't the cosmos lovely tonight, how amazing is this world" and not have to attach outdated mythology to it so its more "interesting" when it's already fascinating to begin with.
    I think the human mind is complex and not fully understood by science yet. Thus I believe that we have the ability to tap that and do things like maqnipulate energy. I do not think this sort of thing is magic at all.



    Oh, I am game. I have done that before actually, with the same result as usual, nothing. Remote viewing is one of the few that has been succsefully proven to me, and I am of the idea it can be scientifically explained.
    Last edited by yodatalk; 08-02-2009 at 02:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kestor View Post
    As for magick, it is very real. Not many are truly skilled in such arts, and most who pretend to be are either con artists or illusionists, but magick itself is ancient, powerful and above all, real. It is one of our natural powers that few know to tap, and because of that most chose to replace spirituality with mundane technology.
    I do agree with this. I have met many of "Con-Artists" and they can be quite annoying and give the rest of us a bad name.
    As for Atheist being immune to the effect of magic(k), I think it depends om the person(what I mean is).... I think some people(whether they realize it or not) have a better natural defense against things like magic(k). Kind of like how some of us are better naturally of Magic(k)..(or energy manipulation..or what ever you wish to call it).
    As for the term "True Atheist" that(to me) really makes no sense. The word Atheist just mean a "lack of belief in god/gods", just like Theist just mean "a belief in god/gods" and really nether are need for a belief and practice of Magic(k) ^_^

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