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Thread: How Satan fell from Heaven...

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    Default How Satan fell from Heaven...

    He fell in disgrace with God for His love of humans.

    A question to be debated however is: Did our Lord allmighty send him to Hell so he could serve Him there or did Satan just stumble down from heaven and did it all on his own without our Lords consent?

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    Quite an interesting question, though i have no idea myself.

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    Uhhhh.... if the scriptures say anything it had nothing to do with Humans.
    In Islam, he falls to destroy humans and bring them away from the favor of God.
    In Christianity, he falls in consequence for trying to steal the Merkavah - The Throne of God.

    However, there comes the debate in the gospel of Judas.
    The Gospel of Judas states that Judas was chosen in order to go and fulfill the prophecy of going and killing Christ. Thus Judas is considered a saint and the chosen and beloved one of Christ because Christ allowed him to kill him.

    The Cainites further go and take this idea a step farther. In their belief, Evil is not necessarily apart from the design of God. It is part of the process of his divine plan. God is a God of Relation ( The Trinity) and so He created man for simply an act of Love... someone to talk to. This idea is further elaborated in the story of Elijah. So sin .... Satan...Demons... all played a part in God creating Man and bringing Man closer to Him.

    So in this line of thinking. The first sin was murder so that Judas could commit murder. Which is why they are called the Cainites.

    They also say that Evil shows what God is. So if someone is suppossed to see the absolute sinful nature of Satan they will know God. '' You cannot know light without knowing Darkness''.

    Slightly off topic but in a round about way should answer your question.
    Those who Fall will find their Heaven
    and will always be adored.


    In Plaudo Atri Matris!

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    Yahweh casting down Satan is a crock of ****.

    Satan was around long before the false xtian "god" showed up. The Sumerian's knew him as Enki, the Egyptians Ptah, the Greek Poseidon, the list goes on.

    Satan was never cast down. Anyone who believes that needs to look closer.

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    In certain perspectives he wouldn't be cast down. It would be of his own volition. In other perspectives he would be cast down.

    So spinosaurus. Each of those cultures existed for different spans of time and also died. I'm sure each culture has a different interpretation of him. Considering Enki in Sumeria may have been '' lord of this world and lord of magicians'' but in Greece he is Lord of the Seas then in it.

    I think essentially it is still the same being/force but that each culture has different ways of seeing this force/being.

    It is as Diane Vera states. Obviously Lucifer/Satan is omnipresent in some sense but at the same time... people react to the gods differently. So the Jews obviously... for whatever reason.... felt that Satan was out to get them and so they felt a need to be saved. If this being is already omnipresent through-out creation they would need to be saved by a greater force/being. One that created the universe. I however, don't feel like he is out to get me.
    Those who Fall will find their Heaven
    and will always be adored.


    In Plaudo Atri Matris!

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    Sorry that i correct you but Juda was not the one to kill Jesus so he has not committed the first sin.
    And yes, satan existed long befor the christian and the muslims have appeared, long befor the jews have appeared.
    "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast..." — Revelation 13:4

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    He was responsible for the death of Jesus. Jesus even chose Judas in order to do it. This is stated in both the bible and in '' The Gospel of Judas''.

    Would like to also state that some circles in satanism view Enki as a ''Bastard False God'' similar to Yahweh. Since he is one of the Elder Gods and not necessarily one of The Ancient Ones.. The Ancient Ones being the dark, omnipotent, primordial entities.
    Those who Fall will find their Heaven
    and will always be adored.


    In Plaudo Atri Matris!

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